This is interesting, Kyo.  Thanks.  I have often thought that lower level forms of consciousness would choose certain forms of communication with the physical world as being easier.  I have suspected that EVP, (electronic voice phenomenon) and ouija have a mixture of earth bound spirits and some lower level ones who come through, separate from your "run of the mill," Focus 27 deceased person.

The idea that forces of darkness and light have agreed that the ouija is the territory of the dark side seems humorous to me, and falls into the dualistic way of seeing the world.  I don't dismiss it outright - that famous tale of possession in The Exorcist started with a ouija board, as I recall..  However, there is nothing special to me about letters on a board in the physical plane.  Kids play with the equivalent of a ouija board every day in daycare across the country.   If one meditates, and says an affirmation to the highest good, as Monroe and TMI advocate, does it really matter if one is exploring with the mind in a bed or with a ouija board?

So, it is interesting and thought provoking to ponder whether some forms of comunication may be inherently more able to come in contact with lower level entities.  In general, most kids who play with ouija boards are not hurled into a deadly or severe danger - no more than using the "magic eight ball," to ask yes or no questions.... But for the true seekers of consciousness, a warning appears prudent.  

Hey!  I just realized, my searches of consciousness don't employ any of Hilarion's five paths to knowledge (numerology, astrology, angel cards, etc.).  Oh well. 
Matthew

I'm gonna have to go with DocM on this. I'm not sure that I understand why channeling through paper and letters is any different than channeling through tarot cards; meditation; self reflection; etc.? It's all just a form of synchronizing one's mind into higher levels of consciousness. If one wants to dispute the methods be they benign & unsacrificial in the inhumane way, or that it's something that was "agreed" upon unbenounced to us in the ethereal states, I see no dispute here. I don't really view our reality as being a sort of quessing children's game, whereby playing/utilizing certain wrong objects will lead to self destruction or spiritual demotion... After all, the whole point of us being here is to be curious and learn. We didn't neccessarily get a "Guide to Life" manual upon entering this realm of existence... so, we just have to kind of feel our way around. As such, I would hearnestly make room for a lot of "leniency" when it comes to people's methods of self discovery.

Just my p.o.v.

PUL,
Cosmic_Ambitions

Couldnt have put it better myself juditha love deanna

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Dear Mairlyn,

Pendulums are (in comparison for instance to the Ouija board or Tarot Cards) an 'unregulated', or neutral, or natural, set of tools that are most directly used for communication with the subconscious.

If one uses it for communication with other extraphysical beings, it is usually through (these beings) working through your subconscious. This process (of working through the person), as compared to say, EVP in which the extraphysical beings more directly manipulate the electromagnetic or physical matter, does admittedly make the use of the pendulum a little more risky*.

So in summary, it is a neutral tool on its own. While there have been known cases of both positive experiences, as well as for some others, negative experiences, as a result of using the pendulum. The determining factor will be the nature and vibration of the beings that you *ask* to contact, as well as the intentions and vibrations of your own thosenes (THOughts, SENtiments and EnergieS).

I do not particularly discourage, nor particularly recommend either, the use of the pendulum. It's a neutral tool and is really a matter of personal preference, up to each individual if you/he/she like(s) to work with the pendulum as a tool.

Perhaps caution would be advised, for the reason* stated earlier. If you intuitively feel positive about the use of the pendulum, then by all means do so, but with positive thosenes and vibrations, and always request and invite the protection and participation of your guides & helpers, in all pendulum sessions. And unless you're sure of yourself, never ask any external being or entity, to answer your questions via the pendulum.

Before any and all channeling sessions (Hilarion), Jon C Fox always takes the precaution of a prayer and/or ritual of psychic protection, always clearly (and respectfully and lovingly) requesting for the protection and participation of the guides & helpers, including naturally, Hilarion himself. This is a very sensible precaution.

And since the use of the pendulum, is akin to channeling (remember that any being that answers you through the pendulum, must operate through your subconscious, which is a form of channeling), thus a simliar procedure or prayer/ritual for psychic protection would be wise.


Love, Kyo

I have a chapter in my book on how I used the ouiji board for the first and last time I might add. the problem is most people use it as a game and its not a game.
I don't believe in evil versus good so my experience is unique as is everyone's, according to how much fear or love is inside the heart. the night I used it was some 45 years ago to get my knowings basically, but I don't advocate it for others to use; must be an easier way I said to meself.
I did meet some suspicious spirit blokes who loved testing me out. they didn't seem to have my best interests in mind and I got angry..anger is only fear, self protective fear. I was immature, didn't know much about anything, how I was conjuring up this world. yet there was two parts to my spirit even then; a higher and a lower self. I had decided from my higher self to teach my lower self a thing or two. thats my impression, that I designed this experience for myself from a higher level and so it came true.
that night, just for insurance, I wore a cross on my neck, as large as a nun's cross. I said "just in case I'm amiss here."  I heard two voices. You must choose Jesus's path or the path of power in the world. choose now. I asked the spirits to leave and they only left after I chose Jesus. the funny thing is I've not considered to join any religion this life, but circumstances (lol) were such, even if you are an atheist in a moment of great fear you will call out the name of god nonetheless.

that was my test night; you can bet I didn't get a wink of sleep. that board is so ancient and slow and only attracts pranksters from the astral. the good guys, the guides and helpers they work by sending you love, lifting you up in your efforts to evolve and get your knowings. I repeat, you trust your heart and look around for someone who's already been successful in returning to god or good.

hugs, alysia

Thank you Kyo. I only use the pendulum for asking myself questions and I always use protection -- white and golden light, bringing down my I AM Presence before any meditation or using the pendulum.

Much Love,
Mairlyn

I was using a ouija board on numerous occasions with a friend at around the age of 15-16.  We did a lot of really dumb and spiritually risky things at the time, which I suppose is normal for teenagers.

I will say that before we started doing it, the house I was living in was completely spiritually clean, and that after we started, that most certainly was not the case.  I'd be sitting in that bedroom at my computer and would experience spirits randomly walking in and out past me.  I also got the impression that some of those randomly walking past me like that weren't human; I wouldn't have described them as demons as such, but more as beings who usually existed somewhere else entirely but who were drawn to where I was (and enabled to interact with me, to a small extent) via the access point that the ouija board established.

There were also numerous instances where I would be lying in bed at night and would hear whispering and what sounded like many small footsteps in the hall outside my bedroom door.  I would get up to investigate, but the moment I opened the bedroom door the whispering would stop, only to start again as soon as I got back into bed.  I also experienced what felt like something with about the mass of a cat jumping or landing on the bed in some instances. 

There is also one more persistent thing.  A spirit which I believe was drawn to me then is still somewhat following me around now.  There will be times at night where I will experience nightmares.  I will wake up, and be aware of a presence in the room, but will find waking much more difficult than usual.  It will feel as though something is literally trying to drag me back to sleep, and I believe that is for the purpose of continuing the nightmare.  That has happened when I have gone back to sleep during those incidents, and it's also the only time I've been able to continue dreams after waking and resuming sleep.

I believe the way a ouija board works is as a completely unregulated beacon in astral space.  It's essentially like shooting a particularly bright flare up into the sky.  Anyone can see it, and anyone who sees it can choose to go towards it.  I'll also use the Stargate analogy again here, for those of you who've seen SG-1.  You can essentially think of a ouija board as not only being a strong beacon, but also an entirely open stargate (I think the term normally used by mediums is "vortex") into astral space, without an iris (the barrier the humans in the series devised to prevent nasties coming through) installed.

Because the intent behind using a ouija board is also usually an entirely unfocused "let's see who's out there," said gate is likewise completely non-discriminating.  You're literally playing Russian roulette; Anyone at all who wants to can choose to walk through, and so getting a troubled human spirit from the lower etheric/F23 is actually the best case scenario.  Worst case is when you get someone coming through who is from a non-human domain entirely; it's a very large multiverse out there.  The other thing is that as I experienced, the vortex that a ouija board opens doesn't necessarily close when the ouija session ends; closing it can require other measures entirely, in terms of either exorcism, energetic purification of the area, or a banishing ritual.

I don't believe what Hilarion is quoted as saying about a ouija board being designated evil as such, but I do believe that there's less than a 1% chance of getting a positive entity from a ouija board session, and the reason why has to do with the issue of consent.  Positive beings only interact with you directly when they're very specifically asked to do so.  They don't otherwise, because to do so would be a violation of your free will.  Part of the definition of being an STS or negative entity on the other hand though is that rather than waiting for your permission, if they are given an access point they will come through of their own accord, and very often do a whole multitude of things which not only have you not asked for, but most assuredly will not want.

I would not try and tell anyone directly not to use a ouija board; we all have our own experiences for our own learning.  However, I would advise anyone considering it to be aware that in my experience, doing so can have radically negative and uncontrolled consequences.  It's very much the spiritual equivalent of unsafe sex, IMHO.

DocM wrote on Jul 8^th, 2006 at 7:33am:


Hi again Matthew,

(I was busy addressing the other points in my earlier reply to you; it just occurred to me to address this little point now).

It appears that you *might* have slightly misunderstood Hilarion's meaning on this point. Just to clarify for info's sake, the methods of Astrology, Palmistry, I-Ching, Numerology and Tarot Cards, are not quite as implied, "Hilarion's five paths to knowledge". This phrase has implications that might be inaccurate.

That is to say, Hilarion certainly *isn't* saying that everyone 'should' be using these methods, or that these methods are particularly useful, helpful or informative to use (eg. as compared to the methods of modern hypnotic psychotherapy), he's just saying that these methods of divination have the special characteristic of being under a system of protection, by consequence of agreements being made (eg. agreements with the Tarot Angels). This is 'special' in the sense that those who do not know the full story behind these 5 systems, might fail to fully appreciate or understand how they might work as well as they do, if simply based on appearances.

By and large, all other 'methods' (ie. other than these 5, and the Ouija) are neutral in the sense by the principles that most other people here correctly understood, that is the principle of vibrational resonance, or simply put, "like attracts like". So depending on the quality and vibrations of your thosenes, you're gonna be attracting extraphysical beings and intrusions of corresponding nature. Of course, as Petrus also correctly pointed out, there's also the factor of "permission", or put in other words, the "blind guides" and less evolved entities, try to intrude whenever they can. Whilst the true guides & helpers, and all more evolved consciousnesses, only assist or participate with proper invitation and appropriateness.

One more point, Matthew. Other than the difference already described above, with regards to the 5 methods as compared to say, hypnotherapy methods, namely the difference that the 5 methods are automatically protected by virtue of various agreements being made with various guide/helper/guardian/angel beings (though many will still not believe this aspect, and that's fine with us/Hilarion), there is one other critical difference. I address this because the last sentence in your post, seemed to indicate a possible misunderstanding on the meaning of this point as well. (Please pardon me (with my apologies) if my assumptions are incorrect, and therefore perhaps unfair to you. I just felt it possibly informative to use your point, as an opportunity to add the following).

And that is, hypnotherapy (as an example) or other methods are sciences or practices developed by men. The 5 methods are GIFTS of Divination and Guidance, given out of love, unto Humanity by beings that are, in their various capacities, acting as higher guides, helpers, guardians and angelic beings. As a consequence, their modus operandii significantly differs, from what the uninitiated (ie. those who do not study the esoteric aspects of these methods) or from what most people might think.

For instance, most people simply think that the Tarot Cards work solely though one's work subconscious, and for some, they acknowledge the role of the guides & helpers in working through the Reader's subconscious mind to manipulate the cards. That's all well and reasonable.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE FULL PICTURE. Because there exists, behind the scenes, an additional and crucial factor of the AGREEMENT of the Tarot Angels, from whom the Gift of the Tarot Cards came from, and of whom this entire voluntarily project is one of selfless service, love and assistance to humanity.

Now, we're (and Hilarion) are not saying that everyone who uses these 5 methods should necessarily need to know the bigger picture behind it, or that Tarot Card users should necessarily acknowledge the role of the Tarot Angels. All we're saying, is that there is much love and considerable selfless service behind these gifts, a gift of love to Humanity, that most people do not realize.

Rob,

That's an interesting point you brought up there. Indeed, Hilarion was speaking originally of the Tarot Cards, if for no other reason that at the time of that channeling and publication (over 20 years ago), Angel Cards (such as the ones conceptualized and sold by Doreen Virtue) were either not yet in existence, or not yet in popular use.

I do not personally use either of these two tools of guidance, and thus (other than quoting Hilarion on the Tarot Cards), have not much in way of further comment.

Perhaps if someone (perhaps yourself?) had personal experience with both, he/she could share his/her experiences and opinions on the relative (or distinctive aspects of) helpfulness, usefulness, reliability, validity or accuracy of the two systems (Tarot vs Angel Cards).

Love,
Kyo

Rob_Roy wrote on Jul 9^th, 2006 at 2:23am:

Rob,

Yes perhaps, if those who are interested enough in such a question would ask this of Hilarion. It's not personally a topic of particular interest though (I made the original post as a service of warning against a tool that could be potentially problematic). Anyone who subscribes to the Quarterly Channelings and has an interest in this topic, could submit just a question for Jon's consideration to include it.

And, as far as I know, since the original Maurice B Cooke channeling of the article posted in this thread, Hilarion has not spoken on, or probably felt the need to, any clarification on any difference betweent the Tarot Cards or the Angel Cards. And because there is a fundamental similiarity between the way these cards work (the only major difference, as you pointed out, is the "good" and "bad" cards, which the Angels could easily work around by rephrasing their answers and simply leaving out the "bad" or warnings), I think it safe to assume that both of these cards are safe and protected.

This (assumption that the Angel cards are also protected and safe to use) makes sense for two more intuitive reasons - the strong association both these card systems have with "Angels". Anyone familiar with the work of Doreen Virtue would know there's nothing sinister or "dark" about her work. It may be along a somewhat different vibration/nature/direction than say, Hilarion's, but it's still clearly positive.

The other reason, perhaps the most important one, being the characteristic difference you pointed out. Doreen Virtue (and others who decided to produce the cards) might have decided that she wanted to design a deck of cards that do not have the possibility of spreading fear (for instance by someone having a 'bad' card), and so eliminated the 'bad' cards. As a result, there can only be less potential fear and less potential harm done, via such Card Readings. So it makes the Angel Cards even safer, on this level/way at least.

At the very 'worst', even if for instance, the Tarot Cards are the only protected cards (say the Tarot Angels decide, "No, we *only* made the gift of the Tarot Cards; we cannot be held responsible for the Angel Cards as well"), and the Angel Cards are a totally random process, then what harm is there? Afterall the cards are all 'good' cards.

Common sense indicates the 'forces of darkness' (if you will), the intruders, or even the psychotic post mortems (or 'earthbounds' or 'ghosts') will have little interest in trying to use the Angel Cards to misguide its users, because all the cards are 'positive'! So it's a waste of their time even trying! So it's extremely unlikely they would bother.

Besides just the strong association of "Angels" as a fundamental concept behind the Cards, would have a strong deterrent quality. It's also likely that another group of Angels (the Angelic Kingdom is very large) might volunteer for Doreen Virtue's Angel Cards, if the original group of Tarot Angels decline.

So even in the possible case scenario that the Angel Cards are not protected or under the jurisdiction of the Tarot Angels, or any other Angels, the guides & helpers (here, we speak mainly of human extraphysical helpers, not those of the Angelic race, whom belong to a distinct evolutiological and planetary lineage from human souls) would gladly use this opportunity to, most likely through the subconscious mind of the Card Reader, channel through to manipulate or guide the results of the Angel Card readings.

Why would they do it? Because the guides & helpers are always on the lookout for ways to assist us, the intraphysicals. We are their intraphysical counterparts and colleagues. We're a multidimensional team. They help us and we help them, in our common goal of helping others in the world, in the spirit of CosmoEthics, in the Love for the Cosmos or All Beings.


So Rob and all interested in this topic, by my reasoning and opinion then, I do not personally see the need to ask Hilarion for any further clarification, because he's already stated that the Tarot Cards are safe and protected, and because the Angel Cards are the more recent/updated 'version', with new users largely using the Angel Cards instead, it's a safe conclusion that they work the same way.

It's also a second safe conclusion, IMO, that because of the elimination of the 'bad' cards from the Angel Cards, it makes it all the more safe to work with. It may lack the 'punch' of the capacity for warnings that the original Tarot system afforded, but its essentially the same service, only modified to a more 'client friendly' mode.


Love,
Kyo


Rob_Roy wrote on Jul 9^th, 2006 at 11:01pm:

You're most welcome, Rob. 

Love,
Kyo

augoeideian wrote on Jul 10^th, 2006 at 5:32am:


Hello Augoeideian, and all,

A comment on your comment, but not particularly directed at it. Just using this as an opportunity to (again) explain and clarify this point.

Many people seem to be somewhat mistaken about, and overly concerned on, the issue about this, that might be implied in the statement "All answers can be found within, and that aids/tools/psychic readings are totally unnecessary."

This seems to stem from a fear, frustration, worry or sadness over the idea of people being overly reliant on external sources or tools (eg. Tarot Cards, Psychic Readings, etc) for their enlightenment or spiritual growth; worse, letting their personal power, personal free will and personal connection with higher self / God / true self, be undermined, subjugated and subverted, and handed over to the external aid/tool/guru instead. Worst of all, be consequently led astray down misguided paths into eventual spiritual destruction, so to speak.

I do not decry these concerns, certainly. My point is something *completely* distinct. Perhaps I'd explain it in the following way :

The concerns/fears/hatred regarding the idea of subjugating your personal power over to an external source, whilst born out of good intentions, can be slightly imbalancing to the extent of subtly causing many well meaning people to misinterpret or miss the point of a higher level or meaning of the use of helpful modalities. This condition is perfectly understandable and empathized, because not only is in today's preserenissimus humanity lacking in consciential/spiritual maturity to the extent that unevolved practices of corrupt practices/followings/religions subjugate one's personal power and connection to their true self, but in addition truly helpful higher tools or methods of evolutiological value that are simultaneously of a personally empowering quality (eg. the Hilarion Reading), are very much rare or lacking (to the point the more cynical assume these don't truly exist).

It is no wonder a natural and understandable reaction of most people would be to base their assessment/thoughts on the topic, on previous experiences, which are almost entirely negative. Dogmatic religion for instance. Many people fear/hate the spiritually damaging effect of dogma so much, they entirely miss the highest aspects of the various religions (eg. the energy and wisdom of the Christ, the Buddha, etc). But it is difficult to blame the people for their cynicism and prejudice, either.

In quite exactly the same way, when it comes to truly helpful self-empowering and personal-evolution-supporting tools, aids and sources of help (eg. Hilarion and the Hilarion Reading, or Inert Gas (Atlantean) technologies, etc) it is likewise understandable that many people automatically view these with cynicism, and allow the fear/anger/sadness of having one's own power subjugated to an external source, to cloud their capacity to recognize properly the true value of the tool / aid / source of assistance.

I certainly have no intention of getting upset or frustrated over the fear and false ideas mentioned above and decrying/denouncing them, or even of the notion of championing these sources of help to the world, get imbalancing for myself in exactly the same way that the fear/concerns/frustration of having one's one will subjugated to external sources, has also imbalanced the capacity to fully grasp the nature of truly helpful sources of help, that I've described in this post.

But what I *DO* endeavour to do, and what I'm doing now, is to attempt to communicate that truly helpful tools or sources of help (eg. the help your receive from your guides & helpers, from the Angels, from Hilarion and his Reading, etc) work in a COMPLETELY DISTINCT manner from corruptive, disempowering tools / methods / external sources that subjugate one's power and free will. The former category of help actually EMPOWER you and SERVE your own free will (directly or indirectly).

"But how will we know? How can we differential the false prohets/teachers from the genuine?" The answer to this is truly within. In fact (and this is also a corollary of the point I'm attempting so painstakingly to elucidate), ALL ANSWERS ARE ALWAYS WITHIN. The truly helpful tools or sources of help (eg. guides & helpers, angels, Hilarion, etc) NEVER PROPOSE TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS. They may address your questions or your issues (eg. in your prayer), but if you're observant enough, you notice that they NEVER tell you what to do. They may offer suggestions and advice, in exactly the way a teacher/tutor/professor would to a college student, but they NEVER subjugate your own personal power or free will.

What of technologies then? Such as the RIFE technology or the Inert Gas (Atlantean) technologies, which I've stated as examples of helpful technologies. Technologies work in a slightly different way. Much of the quality of the result of the application of various technologies, depends very closely on the intention of the users. Would you say the computer is a useful technology? Airplanes? Telephones? Lightbulbs? The radio? Engineering and architectural technology enabling the construction of modern cities, vehicles and computers?

One could indeed say that these technologies, when used appropriately with helpful intentions, are certainly serving one's personal power, one's personal free will, even if this is so, in an indirect fashion. Similarly then, are the tools of the Tarot, the Hilarion Reading, the help of the Guides & Helpers, the Angels, the Evolutionary Orientors and the Serenissimus.

So now we come to the determinant factor or 'acid test', of how one can ensure that one will only safely uses all tools and sources of help, without risk of subjugating one's own power and free will. It is called Discernment, and to be more specific, discernment on whether one's Free Will and one's personal Evolution (in hindsight or retrospect) is supported by the tool or source of help, or not.

Someone once asked Hilarion how to distinguish between a 'good' channeling/entity and a 'bad' channeling/entity. Hilarion's reply was a quotation of Jesus Christ (Sananda) : By their fruits ye shall know them.


I also posted a similar or related reply to LightR_on, Matthew and Mairlyn (in two separate posts), on the Hilarion Reading on this thread here :
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1151676506

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kyo,

Are you Hilarion?

You promote his beliefs with such force, you would think you and he are one?

Are you?

Its dangerous you know to follow without question?

I think we have here the blind leading the blind!

i agree with everything you have said Kyo.  Thank you for your diligence in this matter, it has taken a lot of work.

Dear Kyo and all,

I have been following this thread even though I have not had much time to post lately.  Kyo, I want to thank you for taking the time to create such loving and thoughful posts of clarification.

To me what all of this boils down to is the creative process within each of us.  In each and every moment of our existence we have external and internal influences all around and within us that seek the expression of movement in the form of our desires.  

Most of the time we desire to create things that we view as something better than what we currently have or have known in our past.  In this we are continually using our gift of discernment to judge whether or not something is better in our view.  In this process of continually making judgments for ourselves we have acquired the tendancy to project these same judgments out into the world, perhaps to hold these up in front of us to again begin the process of discernment and the creation of new desires based on the feedback the world presents to us.  

In all of this processing what may be helpful to one person, may not be helpful to another, however I do not believe that it is cosmoethically correct to place our own expectations onto someone else, but instead to allow each other to have their own freedom of following their own heart in choosing their own path.  Certainly each of us may speak our own truth with the intent of being helpful to someone, however I think we must also at the same time have loving acceptance, understanding and respect for the ideas, thoughts and choices of others.  And in so doing, we should choose our words and explanations as carefully and as lovingly as possible.  

Afterall, it usually is more love and understanding that each of us desires for our self and the way to create this is to allow our own love, patience, compassion, gentleness and understanding to well up from within in our ideas, thoughts, words and actions that we project into the world.

While I did not mention specifics spoken about in this thread, I have an article on my website that speaks to the desire as being the creative process of life itself for those that may be interested it is located here:  http://www.innervisionjournal.com/article_desire.htm

Love, Kathy

 

Dear Kathy and Matthew,

Thank you both, for your willingness in sharing your perspective on this matter lovingly as you did, and for everything which you've said.


Love,
Kyo

Much love to you, Dear Alysia, as always

Dear Augoeideian,

Your metaphor story of the farmer, the farming process and the fruit, is really wonderfully creative! You've a real talent there!

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You bet!!! Have you ever considered writing a children's spiritual storybook of metaphors? To share your gentle, loving wisdom with children? It would be such a wonderful spiritual effort! You'd most absolutely have the support of the guides & helpers! They would be just as thrilled with your effort! I'm serious about this! Please consider authoring a collection of children's spiritual storybook! I'd love to see you get one published!


Thanks again for sharing, Augoeideian! Much love to you, and I do hope to see you have a childen's book published someday!
Kyo

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Hmmm... come to think of it, I know Alysia has also written a book, and I'm also aware she has a wonderful loving empathic connection with children as well. Would Alysia also consider writing a spiritual children's book too?  

I liked the farmer and fruit story too Auggie. we probably could use these kinds of books for children.

funny though, I feel like a child anymore. all those self retrievals from childhood feels like you are reborn when you do them and starting over. in my spirit I feel 19 now.
and I look past age when I meet with people. I look to their spirit age. what I found out is all of us are still children but we think we are not.
Kyo said:
Hmmm... come to think of it, I know Alysia has also written a book, and I'm also aware she has a wonderful loving empathic connection with children as well. Would Alysia also consider writing a spiritual children's book too?
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Roadsign 25 is a bit childlike in my book, but I found a lot of people like this style of writing because it still embraces the wonder of a child, which as an adult we often lose the wonder. well, I hope my baby flies. I only know writing it all down, it makes it more real, what happened. hugs, nice thread here. alysia

Hi Albert. regarding that perhaps something positive can happen with an ouiji board I suppose it depends on whether the subjects place protection around themselves first by knowing of the light and only have that intention to offer assistance to another person whether alive or in between worlds. this thing is that most people this enlightened are not going to be using the ouiji board at all. they most likely have other means of assisting others. but I can see what you're getting at, that an entity could be assisted to move to a higher plane of consciousness by the board player, if they told them they needed to move into the light, join others, etc. they might think they are still in physical reality.

in my case, I had not surrounded myself with anything like protection. I was gambling. I had attitude. I even said out loud, I don't care if you are high or low stature..show me you exist. hmm.  I'll leave the rest to your imagination.  no I'm not really sorry because I was so desperate to get my knowings and something came to my assistance in the end. but sometimes we feel like we can't get rid of negative influences but we can by calling on the power of what's in reference to one who conquered all fear, whether of death or something else. A jew in Palestine.
DP impressed me there was power by simply using his name and saying be gone. lo and behold, it did work! worked better than say BE GONE IN THE NAME OF ALYSIA! lol. my name was Rose then. I wonder how there can be such power of love in a mere name that you say outloud? I'll never know, but I'm certainly grateful that I got my knowings that day about the afterlife and also found out I'm part of the underground of J.  it makes you feel loved and maybe a lot of us are part of that movement. could be! that could only make me happier.
blessings, alysia

multiconsciential multidimensional transtemporal assistantial collegial higher establishment guide-helper network of J...

you know Kyo, that has a much nicer ring to it than the underground! I don't think I can memorize it well though but I'm smiling..   the only reason I said underground is because I was born this life not wanting anything to do with organized religion..DP had a heart breaking experience with baptizing natives and he just couldn't deal with any religious organizations after that. however, we both have only the warmest feelilngs for J, even a longing to be with him once more. it would be like coming home.

thank you Kyo for all you've posted here. I've benefited a great deal. love, alysia

Hello Alysia:

I don't believe I suggested that an ouija board can be used in a positive way. I suggested that sometimes a spirit stuck in a dark realm can find its way out if somebody contacts them with an ouija board. Perhaps I need to learn to write better.


LaffingRain wrote on Jul 12^th, 2006 at 8:23pm:

Quite alright Alysia.  

You know, I heard that everytime somebody uses a smiley face and angel gets its wings. So here 

 Wrote this awhile ago for Linn's site, about Ouija boards, somewhat pertinent to this conversation:

I basically agree with CW, Mair, and Alysia about the above...but could it be a little more involved..? Had a couple thoughts about Ouija, relating it to collective thought-form energy and resonant attraction laws...

Its kinda like when we say, the spirit of America, the spirit of the Celts, the spirit of Latino's etc.? What do they mean...they're kind of generalizations, like people descended from strong Celtic blood have a tendency towards high energy, creativity, hard-headedness/combativeness, and psychicness...Or America has a general aura of EXTREMISM (both very material and very spiritual) around it...

But generalizations though they may be, isn't there some average truth to it. I've noticed that a lot of caucasians with Fire sign risings for example, tend be be Celtic looking i.e. freckles/light skin, round alpine heads, strong or at least wiry muscular, and like what their Fire rising sign indicates--often FIERY emotionally (even more so then their Sun sign counterparts). I can attest to this, i have a Leo rising and I certainly have more than a bit of tendency towards short-temperedness, though i never stay mad for more than a few minutes (am mostly of scottish descent and look stereotypically "Scottish" reddish beard and all, and i have the whole British Isles thrown in, some German, and some Native American). But, like astrology, these are just innate tendencies, probably ones i was well aware of before i was born, and chose this body for these particular tendencies (this relates to the astro chart too)...

I think this applies to Ouija boards in a way, because they have been around for a while, and were especially prevalent during the spiritualistic era of the late 1800's and early 1900's where people tended to be a little bit sensationalistic, and smitten with the dark and/or occult (hidden) forces.. So, having so many people use the Ouija boards in a certain general manner for so long, magnitizes a certain collective energy to Ouija boards, or eventually forms something like, "the spirit of Ouija"..

So when someone from our day and age, uses an Ouija board, because of the collective thought-form around the Ouija, someone would be more prone to attract ignorant or even blatantly negative energies...but of course the knowledgable and well prepared to could counter act that influence...

Like in certain physics theories, when we call something material, like say..calling an apple an apple, you are really saying a particular pattern of vibrational energy with a different and relative relationship to other consciousnesses, so when someone sees, eats, EXPERIENCES an apple, they're really tapping into a certain consciousness of which the apple is the symbolic representation visually and materially.... So each thing, even "dead" ouija boards have an aura, a certain general consciousness around it, and this has its own tendencies to act in a certain way in a particular environment.

Eggshellseas, how long ago was this experience?  Did the odor come at the time it happened?  How would you describe the smell? 

I played with one once when I was a teenager but never did it again.

When my husband and I were married, we lived in an apartment for 2-1/2 years.  After we moved we learned that the people who lived there before us were into rituals and "dark magic" and the like, performed ceremonies or whatever in that place.  I never believed in that stuff and still don't really, I don't know much about it and don't want to.  But I have to admit, we had some horrible paranormal experiences there, one of which was a horrible smell like a dead body (not that I've ever smelled that before but I assumed).  I do have to believe that whatever rituals were performed there is what caused our paranormal activity.  This stuff is real.  Unfortunately, if someone intends negative, evil, dark intentions they can manifest.  Not that this has to do with ouija boards, as most of the time people play with them for fun, not for intending darkness.